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Tobacco Free St. Louis Pushes for Complete Smoking Ban

Group will ask the St. Louis County Council to eliminate smoking ban exemptions.

 

Tobacco-Free St. Louis will push the St. Louis County Council to expand the current smoking ban in the county to eliminate exemptions to the 2011 Clean Air Act.

Businesses eligible for smoking bans include casinos, Lambert International Airport and bars where food makes up a small percentage of sales. The airport later went smoke-free despite its exempt status.

The group made the announcement during a press conference Thursday morning at Three Kings Public House in University City.

The group said there are currently 145 exemptions to the ban with the majority of those (56) coming in the North County area. There are 20 exemptions in mid-County, 41 in South County and 29 in the West County area.

"The most vulnerable are the ones who are most unjustly impacted by this," Rance Thomas said. "Where people are most vulnerable in our community is where they are most likely to be exposed to second-hand smoke and poisonous air."

Dr. Stuart Slavin, board member of Tobacco-Free St. Louis and associate dean of the medical school Saint Louis University, said the issue is the health and well being of all county residents.

The exemptions are creating an unfair playing field for restaurants that play by the rules, argued Derek Deaver, owner of Three Kings in U City and Deaver's Restaurant and Sports Bar in North County.

"I've seen my food sales go up by 10 percent, but my bar sales are down 15 percent," he said. "What this is doing is hurting bars with food."

Deaver said the county's application for exemption — a downloaded application and a $35 fee — isn't being policed for accuracy.

"We need to ban smoking county-wide. They've done it in Kansas City, Columbia, Chicago and New York — even Dublin has a smoking ban and everyone in Ireland smokes," Deaver said.

The group offered several reasons why a complete ban would be good for businesses. They include:

  • A July 2011 study by The Mellman Group which shows that 72 percent of voters favor all indoor establishments being smoke-free.
  • A recent University of Missouri study that air in smoke-free businesses around St. Louis is 90 percent cleaner than before the smoking ban.
  • Smoke-free provides a safe workplace for employees.
  • No exemptions means no loopholes.

When the ban went into effect in 2011, many were concerned the revenue from Harrah's in Maryland Heights would go across the river to the Ameristar Casino in St. Charles, if one allowed smoking and the other did not.

Business owners Thursday said they weren't worried about people driving from across counties to smoke, but those that are going across the street.

The owner of a restaurant at Highway 141 and Olive said he notices a difference in his own well-being since the ban went into place, but he and other rule-abiding business owners are essentially being put at a disadvantage for playing by the rules.

"They just need to level the playing field," Deaver said.

  • What do you think of St. Louis County's smoking ban?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • It is fine as is.
        156 (36%)
    • It should be universal, without exemptions.
        237 (54%)
    • The county should allow smoking in restaurants again.
        39 (9%)
    Total votes: 432
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Casinos, Restaurants, Smoking Ban, St. Charles County, Tobacco-free St. Louis, and st. louis county
What do you think of the smoking ban? Do you choose restaurants based on the current restrictions? Tell us in the comments.

foxxydrummer

10:19 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

The anti-smoking ninnies will not rest until they control every aspect of your life. If you don't like being around smoke, don't go in an establishment that allows smoking. There are plenty of non-smoking establishments around, what posesses you to want to go where you're not welcome? It should be up to the business owner to decide if he wants to allow a legal activity on his premises, not the spoiled brat anti-smokers.

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RCOverdrive

12:34 pm on Saturday, March 17, 2012

I don't go into them and won't when I have the choice. Thankfully I now have many choices thanks to the bans that have been put in place and the restaurants that choose to abide by the rules. Illinois Bars, Casino Queen, Brewzki's O'Fallon MO, Syberg's Dorsett, Bottleneck Blues Bar, Blueberry Hill... get my business!!!

CyZane

1:11 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

The anti-smokers have become so transparent in their lies it is really incredible how some people still can't see it.

On the one hand they spread around concocted figures such as ''A July 2011 study by The Mellman Group which shows that 72 percent of voters favor all indoor establishments being smoke-free.''

And on the other hand they're saying that the exemptions are creating an unlevel playing field. If the majority of people want smoke-free establishments, why are the minority of exempted venues taking away the business from the smoke-free venues? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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Jon Korty

6:36 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Didn't the tobacco-nazis say, when they got the ban they were after, that that was sufficient? I find it rather hypocritical they now want more. I'm not surprised; after all it's about inflicting their views upon my life, not about "health" or "safety". This type of personality would ask for a ban on water if it served their egos. Do me a favor: if you're this eager to control others, move to my home state, CA. They just LOVE to control other's lives. You'd be very happy there. Until they regulate something that affects you, personally.

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Don

9:57 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

As we travel the rest of the country, it's great to know that every place in so many states are smoke free. I lost my sister to lung cancer and I've got asthma that's triggered by tobacco smoke. One smoker can pollute the air with 500 feet of them. It's a real shame Missouri is so backward when it comes to smoking. It's time to raise the tax on tobacco - Missouri has the lowest tobacco tax in the nation and that's a shame. I doubt if we'll see any change in these policies as long as backward politicians under corporate control rule our state.

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foxxydrummer

10:16 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Don, perhaps we should raise the tax on asthmatics? Your disease causes you to use more medical resources than a healthy person, right? If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go in a place where the business owner has chosen to allow smoking. It's not rocket science, they have big red "S" stickers by the door.

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angie

11:46 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

You know there is so many people in this world that want to dictate what others can and can not do. Every smoker is suppose to have their rights to freedom also but lets face it non smokers now and always has wanted to dictate what we can do. If you non smokers don't want to be bothered by our smoking go some where else we have rights too. We pay dearly for our cigarettes and that is our choice so but out and move where you can be free of our smoke or don't come around it.

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Lisa Hunt

1:19 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

If this is truly about safety for all patrons should we ban pet owners covered in pet hair from entering an establishment to lesson the risk of allergic reactions? Should we ban patrons wearing perfume or cologne so they don't cause a patron respiratory distress? Should we ban people who have peanut residue on themselves so they don't risk sending a patron into anaphylactic shock? Should we all be stopped at the restaurant/bar door to prove we don't own pets, smelt for odors, and scanned for residue so we don't harm anyone? Where do you draw the line? Smoking is legal and should be up to each individual business owner whether or not it's permitted. If you like smoke go on in, if you don't walk away.

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Mike Trowbridge

2:32 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

I smoke, and I vote. In fact, I voted in favor of the ban. It really doesn't bother me to spend an hour in a restaurant without smoking....I haven't been able to smoke in the workplace for decades now, so this didn't really bother me too much.
That being said, I think it is ludicrous to raise the tobacco tax AGAIN. What real good would that do? People will continue to smoke, and the anti-smokers will still complain. If everyone DID quit smoking, then what? Suddenly all that tax money would disappear...who/what would they go after next?
If they really want to improve the health and safety of people, as they claim, perhaps they should channel their efforts into something that will make a real difference. Raise taxes on soda and candy, so kids won't be able to buy so much of it....you'll reduce childhood obesity and improve dental health at the same time.
How about a "fast food" tax? Make it less convenient for people to just run to the nearest burger joint instead of cooking a decent meal for their families. Again you fight obesity, plus you will help lower everyone's cholesterol.
Better yet, impose an enormous tax increase on alcohol and find better ways to enforce age and DUI laws. Last time I checked, a lot more people were injured and/or killed by drunk drivers than by smoking drivers.

Leave the ban as it is. Allow smokers the last few havens we have. St. Louis County is a large place, and there are only 145 exemptions to the ban. That's not really very many.

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eric

8:41 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

There is no SAFE Level of Secondhand smoke. Breathing is NOT a choice, but smoking is. So, non-smokers don't have the same rights NOT to breathe in toxic smoking as smokers?? Give me a break! Ban smoking 100% and remove any exemptions. Thousands die every year from this chosen habit of nicotine. If you want to smoke, that's your choice, but when it affects MY health, it is not your right to make me sick. Which mostly it will do, make me and you sick.

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CyZane

11:28 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

It takes 20 years (if ever) for a HEAVY smoker to contract any disease suspected to have been caused by smoking and let's not forget that the smoker also breathes in his second hand smoke and everyone else's since he doesn't find it necessary to avoid places where people smoke. How long does Eric intend to live to be worried about hundreds of times diluted smoke that he chooses to breathe when he willingly enters a venue that allows smoking? He's right though, there is indeed no KNOWN safe level of second hand smoke because no one has lived long enough to die from it for scientists to tell for sure whether it takes 466, 500, 1002 or 2010 years before the infenitissimal amounts of some harmful chemicals in SHS kill us ;-)

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eric

12:47 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

CyZane: whatever planet you are living on isn't quite the reality of those who die from LUNG CANCER, for one example, doesn't take 20 years for them to contract that disease. I know of cases where people who never smoked in their life, but worked in casinos with secondhand smoke and have died from their lungs filled with smoke. YES, someone chooses to enter a venue that allows smoking; but why are so many venues around the world banning smoking...?? Because it can and does harm your health. How many years will CyZane wait to see if his lungs are filled with secondhand smoke and he doesn't even know it? But, it must seem so irresponsible for the non-smokers to try to do the right thing and help make a happier, healthier, safer world.

Elizabeth O'Fallon

12:26 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

I'm a non-smoking mother of five young children who voted against the smoking ban. I detest smoking, but I voted against the ban because to me it is an issue of freedom. A business should have the right to decide if they will be a smoking or non-smoking establishment. As consumers we have the right to decide where we will frequent our business, so since my family prefers smoke free restaurants, that is where we go when we go out to eat. If you don't like smoke, don't work or eat at a smoking establishment.

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eric

12:48 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

As consumers, we have the right to not have to breathe in toxic smoke from inconsiderate smokers, especially around children. And speaking for myself and family and friends, we DON't go to any restaurant that is not smokefree.

CyZane

7:56 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

I wonder who between Eric and myself is living on another planet. It took one quick Google search to find one of many sources that spell out that lung cancer takes at least 20 years to develop. ''Lung cancer is the most common cause of cancer related death in the western world. It takes about 20 years to develop and cigarette smoking is a known cause. '' http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD001991/not-enough-evidence-to-support-regular-screening-for-lung-cancer

As a matter of fact it takes an average of 280,000 cigarettes for cancer to develop! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15207443 Care to do the math for SHS?

The CDC does not do estimates for ''smoking related'' deaths for anyone under 35 for the very same reason : ''The smoking-attributable fractions (SAFs) of deaths for 19 diseases where cigarette smoking is a cause are calculated using sex-specific smoking prevalence and relative risk (RR) of death data for current and former smokers aged 35 and older.'' http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/methodology.asp

If Eric knows of non-smokers whose doctor has unequivocally diagnosed and is willing to testify in a court of law that they got lung cancer from working at the casino, I strongly suggest he hands their names to Tobacco-Control. They have been waiting forever for their very own poster child and so have been the hearst chasers.

Do you also stay away from places that play loud music but because you don't like it you lobby government to make them illegal?

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mark

7:28 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

It's hilarious how angry you smokers get about this. Smoking is disgusting, so you can do it in your own home.Did I mention that you stink?? Soon all places will be smome free and you can have your panic attacks after 5 minutes with no smoke.Get some self control of your life and look at this as a good thing.

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Bill McKenzie

12:56 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Elizabeth is exactly right.

We are surrendering our rights as Americans one at a time. Soon this country will be completely reversed in its values from 75 years ago. Those who vote to ban smoking are playing into the hands of tyrannical politicians who want to run your life and make all your decisions for you.

This is proceeding rapidly in Washington DC right now. Unless Americans begin to insist on their heritage we will all have plenty of opportunity to rue this silly prohibition when our freedoms are gone.

Incidentally, I don't smoke and never have.

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Jeff Bunselmeyer

4:42 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

St. Louis Cigars, 13347 Olive Blvd are now selling Smox electronic cigarettes. They produce great vapor! Smoke anywhere, no smell, no ash, no harmful chemicals. Plus it will save you money over tobacco products.

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Charlene R Hensel

3:39 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

I am a non-smoker. I have never touched a cigarette and never plan on doing so. I do understand what Elizabeth and Bill are saying, but....of course, there is always a but! I have an alergy to cigarette smoke and I had to quit working in bars due to cig smoke/alergy. I enjoy going and listening to certain bands and unfortunately they end up playing in smoky bars. How fair is to me that I have to put up with the smoke? Can the smokers not go outside? Not right outside the front door either! Then everyone can enjoy themselves. I love going out now to the smokefree bars. I come home now and love not stinking like a smelly old ashtray! Honestly smokers do stink! It is a very very nasty dirty habit. My sister and her husband smoke and their kids stink so bad. It is a real shame! I really do hope it goes state wide.

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foxxydrummer

5:23 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012

Gee, Charlene, instead of catering to smokers, we're all suposed to cater to you? Perhaps you should live in one of those bubbles, so nothing bad will ever happen to you. Being an adult is learning how to compromise, not acting like a spoiled little brat who has to have everything her way.

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